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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | How should I vote on this one? (24: Season Six - 5-039036-033534 UK)
"Cast: Removed "credited as" for DB Woodside, CLT says 34(44) for D B Woodside and 70(97) for DB Woodside;"
Therefore
"D B Woodside [DB Woodside] as ..."
corrected to
"DB Woodside as ..."
NO voters say:
-since his name is David Bryan Woodside I vote no
- by defintion DB is not a first name if B is a middle intial
YES voters say:
- No voters are wrong. The CLT gives the results as mentioned so therefore that is what we MUST use according to rules.
- According to CLT common name.
Here is the actor we are talking about, born in N.Y.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0940851/ | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is a tough situation caused by a lack of direction in the rules. Some people are parsing the name 'DB/ / Woodside' and others are parsing it 'D/B/Woodside'. I think they should all be the latter...but that's just me. Until we all get on the same page, this will continue to happen. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just ran into a similar problem with J.K. Simmons. Was doing an update for the Canadian edition of Burn Before Reading where he appears in the credits with no periods in his name. Went to the CLT to look it up and found JK Simmons was only 3(4) where as J.K. Simmons (as in JK//Simmons) had 169(474). Didn't even think to check for J. K. Simmons (as in J/K/Simmons) until reading this and found him listed that way as 174(460). Makes my head want to explode.  Techincally, his name is Jonathan Kimble Simmons, so I went with J./K./Simmons credited as JK Simmons. Unicus is right, until everyone's on the same page, this will continue to happen. I personally removed all traces of JK//Simmons from my local and changed them all to J/K/Simmons. I would also agree with Unicus in thinking it should be D/B/Woodside as D.B. isn't techincally his first name, just his initials and it should be entered that way, and all the credits for DB//Woodside should be changed accordingly. Just my opinion though. Seems to be the most "techincally" correct way of doing it. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Indeed it's a tough one.
The CLT returns "DB Woodside" as most frequent credited name, but does not say how to parse it.
Since Woodside is an American actor, I guess you are right: the second inititial stands for his middle name, so it is D/B/Woodside. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not only is the actor an American but until his name is parsed correctly on all previous profile the CLT will give the wrong results anyway.
Yet again as I did at IVS, I would like to call for a Central Actor Name DB. where each variation can be discussed to ensure correct linking and then be used for a CLT.
Steve |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Further to Enry's question about this actor for those whom still insist he is DB//Woodside see:-
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0940851/ listed as D.B. Woodside
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.B._Woodside listed as D.B. Woodside
http://dbwoodside.com/ listed as David Bryan Woodside
http://www.fandango.com/d.b.woodside/filmography/p240888 listed as David Bryan Woodside
http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/people/dating/d-b-woodside.htm listed as D.B. Woodside
http://www.hollywood.com/celebrity/D_B_Woodside/187548 listed as D.B. Woodside
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/db_woodside/ listed as David Bryan "D.B" Woodside
the only place I can find listed via google on the web for DB//Woodside is via DVD Profile User's own webpages that are using phpdvdprofiler which means they are using credits that have been downloaded from this DB.
Steve |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
Further to Enry's question about this actor for those whom still insist he is DB//Woodside see:-
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0940851/ listed as D.B. Woodside
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.B._Woodside listed as D.B. Woodside
http://dbwoodside.com/ listed as David Bryan Woodside
http://www.fandango.com/d.b.woodside/filmography/p240888 listed as David Bryan Woodside
http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/people/dating/d-b-woodside.htm listed as D.B. Woodside
http://www.hollywood.com/celebrity/D_B_Woodside/187548 listed as D.B. Woodside
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/db_woodside/ listed as David Bryan "D.B" Woodside
the only place I can find listed via google on the web for DB//Woodside is via DVD Profile User's own webpages that are using phpdvdprofiler which means they are using credits that have been downloaded from this DB.
Steve Personally I have never seen DB Woodside credited as D.B. in anything. Maybe if people could list films/TVshows in which he is credited as D.B. to establish that the CLT is wrong. (Establish by actually looking at the CREDITS and NOT other websites!!!) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Personally I have never seen DB Woodside credited as D.B. in anything.
Maybe if people could list films/TVshows in which he is credited as D.B. to establish that the CLT is wrong. (Establish by actually looking at the CREDITS and NOT other websites!!!) To me, it doesn't matter as this is a parsing issue NOT a credit issue. 'DB' are his initials so his name should be entered 'D/B/Woodside'. What Snarbo has done, with his web links, is no different than what was done to prove that 'H/ /BC' was the correct parsing. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Unicus. CLT means nothing as this is not a credits issue. |
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| Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 771 |
| | Posted: | | | | IMHO since he wants to be credited as DB and not D B this is what we should enter, meaning DB/Woodside and not D/B/. | | |  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hallo-marvin: Quote:
IMHO since he wants to be credited as DB and not D B this is what we should enter, meaning DB/Woodside and not D/B/. Then thats your oppion as to his name, not his actual name then? As has been indicated in previous posts his name is David Bryan two separate names not one "DB" Steve |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | From a DVDP point of view, he would have to be parsed as D/B/Woodside as they are initials. How he wants to be known doesn't come into the equation. The only possible way that I can think of that he would ever be parsed as DB//Woodside would be if he changed his name to DB. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
From a DVDP point of view, he would have to be parsed as D/B/Woodside as they are initials. How he wants to be known doesn't come into the equation. The only possible way that I can think of that he would ever be parsed as DB//Woodside would be if he changed his name to DB. ...or if he was, say, a Frenchman or an Italian, many having a double-barreled first name. But, unless they provide some sort of documentation that such may be the case, I would otherwise assume an American First initial/ Middle initial / Last name parsing, like Unicus said. As to the CLT, it does not show parsing, only spelling. For instance, "Ice Cube" is credited in 167 titles (422 profiles), yet CLT does not show how it must be parsed. To parse correctly, we need to know whether "Ice Cube" is just a stage name (thus first name field, per the rules) or O'Shea Jackson legally changed his name to Ice Cube (thus Ice // Cube). Just knowing that CLT returns "Ice Cube" is not enough. IMHO. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I daresay Unicus has it correct. His "name" for Profiler purposes would D/B/Woodside and then we would simply enter DB Woodside to indicate what the actual credit reads.
Remeber people, we are not after "correct" names. ken has said that numerous time himself. We have Rules that tell us how to handle DB Woodside, then we have the As Credited data, the most important piece of that dataset is the As Credited.
<shivers> I lovew the trivia that people like to argue about. Including very brazen statements like "IMHO since he wants to be credited as DB and not D B". Is that user Mr. Woodside or does he have some sort connection to him that allows to make such a bold remark, I doubt it. Kind of reminds me of a comment llike this, If anyone had called the Duke Marion, he would have been taken to the woodshed. Based on his image, that might be a reasonable conclusion, but it is far more likely he would have said yes?
As long as the As Credited data matches what appears On Screen that is our primary concern, we aren't building anyone's family tree, that's a different program, whether he is credited as DB, D B, D.B. or D. B. whatever it is that is our only worry. The rest is so much nonsense.
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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Personally I have never seen DB Woodside credited as D.B. in anything.
Maybe if people could list films/TVshows in which he is credited as D.B. to establish that the CLT is wrong. (Establish by actually looking at the CREDITS and NOT other websites!!!)
To me, it doesn't matter as this is a parsing issue NOT a credit issue. 'DB' are his initials so his name should be entered 'D/B/Woodside'. What Snarbo has done, with his web links, is no different than what was done to prove that 'H/ /BC' was the correct parsing. Agreed with Unicus. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I daresay Unicus has it correct. His "name" for Profiler purposes would D/B/Woodside and then we would simply enter DB Woodside to indicate what the actual credit reads. Are you saying that you would enter an on-screen "DB Woodside" credit as "D/B/Woodside [DB Woodside]"? I'm not saying that's right or wrong - I just would like to know EXACTLY where you, and others in this perpetual debate, stand. As I understand it, Unicus would simply enter D/B/Woodside and leave it at that, while you would use the "credited as" feature to indicate that the on-screen credit doesn't show a space between the initials. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - either one of you... |
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