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Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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there should only be full asian names like

Anthony Wong Chau-Sang and
Anthony Brandon Wong
in the database

If there is only "Anthony Wong" in the credits it should be entered as "credited as"

Same method should be used with all asian actors e.g. with "Tony Leung" as well because there is "Tony Leunch Chiu Wai" (known from "Hero") and "Tony Leung Ka-Fai" and "Tony Leung Siu Hung"
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From my experience of Asian DVDs, Anthony Wong Chau-Sang is the most problematic of them all! I have 6 entries in my DB alone (bold denotes middle name italic last name);

+Anthony Wong Chau-Sang
+Anthony Wong
+Anthony Chau-Sang Wong
+Anthony Chow-Sang Wong
+Anthony Wong Chau Sang
+Anthony Wong Chau-Sang

I wouldn't be surpised if there are another 6 variants in other people's local DB, his credits are so varied it's untrue. I was going to resolve the one's I had, but this was changed when I started reading this thread that I decided to stop and wait until some definitive solution for naming. Using the CLT would be like a minefield!
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Yeah, good luck with this one!
Getting just the 1961 Anthony Wong is going to be hard enough work, but the fact that there's two of them??? 
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He is chinese, so his family-name comes first; then his forename.
So Wong Chau Sang is his full name. Lot's of chinese gives themself an western additional forename.
In this case it's Antony.
The Profiler - using an only western namefiled order - is not made for this mix-up.
I personally would say

- Anthony "Chau Sang" Wong
or
- Chau Sang "Anthony" Wong

are the best variants to catch chinese names best.
(and a personally prefer variation no.2 because he is born as "Wong Chau Sang"

(green is Forename, blue is middle-name, red is famaly-name)
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Quoting Giga Wizard:
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...and what about this:
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born Anthony Perry; September 2, 1961
after the english father left the family he took the mother's family name. So Chau Sang "Anthony" Wong is not perfect but maybe the best hit we can get with the profiler.

Anthony Brandon Wong ist an Australian, so his name is ordered in lets call it "oxidential" way so it should be Anthony Brandon Wong
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there should only be full asian names like

Anthony Wong Chau-Sang and
Anthony Brandon Wong
in the database

If there is only "Anthony Wong" in the credits it should be entered as "credited as"

Same method should be used with all asian actors e.g. with "Tony Leung" as well because there is "Tony Leunch Chiu Wai" (known from "Hero") and "Tony Leung Ka-Fai" and "Tony Leung Siu Hung"


Where, in the rules, does it allow you to do this?  If there is only a credit of 'Anthony Wong', then that is what must be entered...per the rules.
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there should only be full asian names like

Anthony Wong Chau-Sang and
Anthony Brandon Wong
in the database

If there is only "Anthony Wong" in the credits it should be entered as "credited as"

Same method should be used with all asian actors e.g. with "Tony Leung" as well because there is "Tony Leunch Chiu Wai" (known from "Hero") and "Tony Leung Ka-Fai" and "Tony Leung Siu Hung"

Where, in the rules, does it allow you to do this?  If there is only a credit of 'Anthony Wong', then that is what must be entered...per the rules.

maybe you misunderstand me guess. If there is "Antony Wong" in the credits it should be entered so.

actor: Chau Sang Anthony Wong [credited as Anthony Wong]
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Except that per the rules and Ken's clarification... it does not matter what the real name is... we have to use the way the person is most commonly credited for the name field... so if he is most commonly credited in movies as Anthony Wong we have to use that... with nothing in the credited as field.

It all depends on how he is credited in the end credits the most.
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It all depends on how he is credited in the end credits the most.

Once again, it's high time that Ken puts this into the rules. Literally EVERY DAY I encounter users who declare the exact opposite in a completely earnest manner, simply because they're not aware of what Ken has once said somewhere deep down in a long-gone forum thread. The "most-credited form" approach is the cornerstone of the whole common names/credited as system, yet 90% of the users don't even know about it... 
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maybe you misunderstand me guess. If there is "Antony Wong" in the credits it should be entered so.

actor: Chau Sang Anthony Wong [credited as Anthony Wong]


No, I understood you perfectly.  What you are suggesting is against the rules.  We don't deal with 'real' names.  We deal with 'credited' names.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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but how do you solve the fact, that asian names are wrote "Surname Forename" so that First-Middle-Lastname doesn't make sense.
e.g. Chow Yun Fat should be entered as "Yun Fat" "" "Chow"
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but how do you solve the fact, that asian names are wrote "Surname Forename" so that First-Middle-Lastname doesn't make sense.
e.g. Chow Yun Fat should be entered as "Yun Fat" "" "Chow"

That's the eternal question!
Seriously, there's been endless debates on here about it and we're no closer to a solution. I PM'd Ken a while ago, but it was shortly before he announced the Beta, so I guess he was a bit too busy to answer. I'll maybe try again now 3.5's been released.
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That may be how they write them, but Chow is still the first name so should be entered in that field, etc...
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