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| Registered: May 19, 2007 |  Posts: 8 |
| | Posted: | | | | Mostly because of a couple of things on my attempted contributions. And wish I could respond to the contribution critics. I'll give some when there is no rating on the cover, but for the most part people take that to mean it has an NR rating and thats not right either. If you want me to copy exactly whats off the back cover, sticking in an NR is not correct. If it actually says NR or Not Rated, thats one thing, but generic covers have no rating system in play, but I see NR so I've taken that to mean you want a real rating on it so I stick the real rating on it. I think Kill Cruise came in this way (bad movie yes but..) it's not NR, the case says zilch. And at least mine doesn't even have 18 on it.
Then theres the placement of Region 1 on several movies that are Region 0. If relying on imdb.com is a no no, why rely on dvd info pro (which I adore more for it's CRC test than telling me the meta details) So if I take the cover at it's word that it's a Region 1 dvd, it's a Region 1 dvd. So saying I can't use the actual rating of a movie because I got the info from imdb because it's not on the backcover. Why use dvdinfo pro. Region 1 is on the back cover. That would only make sense if there was no Region indicated on the back.
Usually it's live and learn, but when one thing is the norm but then another is. Thats the opposite of whats been said, thats a bit hypercritical and confusing. Then theres several Canadian releases that confuse this even further. Perhaps the UPC organization should be stripped right off the program because it's unreliable. Has to be a better way of doing the organization for that if I have a cover that says all the Canadian ratings, but it's listed on DVD profiler with an american rating. I can check the rules from time to time, and I'll agree to leave IMDB out of it. But we can't have it both ways interjecting things that are not on the cover but saying I have to stick to whats on the cover. | | | | Temper sometimes gets the best of me. Best to ignore myself and move along. :O Do'h |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | We only add official ratings, ratings provided by distributors are not official. So if its not rated by MPAA (with US releases), then its Not Rated. If it has been official rated, but that rating is not on the cover, then with giving a source (IMDB is not a valid source) it can be added to the profile. For example, on Kill Cruise MPAA says: Title: Kill Cruise (1992) Rating: R Rating Reason: Rated R for a scene of violence, and for sexuality and language. Distributor: Rocket Pictures Video | | | | Last edited: by whispering |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting PatrynXX: Quote:
Then theres the placement of Region 1 on several movies that are Region 0. If relying on imdb.com is a no no, why rely on dvd info pro (which I adore more for it's CRC test than telling me the meta details) So if I take the cover at it's word that it's a Region 1 dvd, it's a Region 1 dvd. So saying I can't use the actual rating of a movie because I got the info from imdb because it's not on the backcover. Why use dvdinfo pro. Region 1 is on the back cover. That would only make sense if there was no Region indicated on the back.
I have several R2 that are either R0: can be played on any dvd player or multi region wich means they can play on the dvd player with one of these regions set. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
| | Registered: April 7, 2007 |  Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | Covering the ratings I don't agree that the MPAA rating is the one to use the rules say the opposite. Quote:
Use the Rating shown on the DVD cover. When there is no rating, or an unrated version of the film on the disc, use the NR rating. Use the “Adult” rating for all Adult films.
And yes it is an awful film | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | PatrynXX, in general the DVD Profiles should reflect what the DVD really is, not what the backcover claims.
In case of regions this is very simple to achieve by using DVDInfoPro or another technical solution.
(Yes, there is a very small percentage of R1-discs that have RCE where this fails, but the rest works just fine)
In case of rating: if the rating is not on the cover, but you could provide a reliable source, as the MPAA-Website, then yes submit it. That's what contribution notes are for.
And yes, this might divert from the exact wording of the rules, but I'm not one of those who shut their brains off to follow rules by the letter instead of the sense.
cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki | | | | Last edited: by Mithi |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see any need to bend any Rules.
If it's not rated it's NR (it doesn't matter that some people take this to mean 'Uncut' or whaever; in the UK it means 'schools or documentary' most of the time... the fact is that it is correct.
Region is the region of the disc as read by your player, not the region you bought it. DVD Info Pro takes the info from ths disc which is what it's fine; IMDb gets its info from goodness knows where AND it's legally not allowed to use it's data so that's why we don't. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mithi: Quote:
In case of regions this is very simple to achieve by using DVDInfoPro or another technical solution.
(Yes, there is a very small percentage of R1-discs that have RCE where this fails, but the rest works just fine)
Please do not rely soley on DVDInfo Pro for region checking, as another user highlighted to me it can give 'false positives', e.g. it claimed Live & Let Die (UK release) was R4 enabled, but when I switched my player to R4 it wouldn't play because the region was incorrect. IFO Edit correctly identified it was not R4 enabled. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting PatrynXX: Quote:
Mostly because of a couple of things on my attempted contributions. And wish I could respond to the contribution critics. I'll give some when there is no rating on the cover, but for the most part people take that to mean it has an NR rating and thats not right either. If you want me to copy exactly whats off the back cover, sticking in an NR is not correct. If it actually says NR or Not Rated, thats one thing, but generic covers have no rating system in play, but I see NR so I've taken that to mean you want a real rating on it so I stick the real rating on it. I think Kill Cruise came in this way (bad movie yes but..) it's not NR, the case says zilch. And at least mine doesn't even have 18 on it. From the rules: Use the Rating shown on the DVD cover. When there is no rating, or an unrated version of the film on the disc, use the NR rating. The rules are pretty clear. Use the rating on the DVD, if there isn't one there, use NR. Quote:
Then theres the placement of Region 1 on several movies that are Region 0. If relying on imdb.com is a no no, why rely on dvd info pro (which I adore more for it's CRC test than telling me the meta details) So if I take the cover at it's word that it's a Region 1 dvd, it's a Region 1 dvd. So saying I can't use the actual rating of a movie because I got the info from imdb because it's not on the backcover. Why use dvdinfo pro. Region 1 is on the back cover. That would only make sense if there was no Region indicated on the back. From the rules: List the Region(s) shown on the cover, unless you can verify there is a discrepancy between that and the region coding on the disc. IMDb is ia user built db. We do not know whether or not it is accurate. Dvd info pro checks the physical disc to see what the region coding is. This is allowed per the rules. Quote:
Usually it's live and learn, but when one thing is the norm but then another is. Thats the opposite of whats been said, thats a bit hypercritical and confusing. Then theres several Canadian releases that confuse this even further. Perhaps the UPC organization should be stripped right off the program because it's unreliable. Has to be a better way of doing the organization for that if I have a cover that says all the Canadian ratings, but it's listed on DVD profiler with an american rating. I can check the rules from time to time, and I'll agree to leave IMDB out of it. But we can't have it both ways interjecting things that are not on the cover but saying I have to stick to whats on the cover. You can only deviate from the cover in specific areas. Those areas are spelled out in the rules. In any case, when you do dviate from the cover you have to take the changed information from the DVD...not another web site. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oops... it appears that I've bent the rules then. The US dvd of CANDY SNATCHERS claims on the sleeve that it's unrated. When you play the film the MPAA R rated card is displayed. When I did an audit of the disc the latter is what I went for. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think the rational is because it's not just the film but the other stuff on the disc, which won't have been rated by the MPAA. (No idea if there is other stuff on the title you mentioned though).
Not a problem for UK releases as everything has to be certificated. Although it is annoying when a trailer for the same film makes the rating an 18, although the film is only a 15. Apparently it's to do with the context of the violence/sex/drug use (delete as appropriate). | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | For the US, a MPAA rating card should be displayed before or after the feature and/or on the case. If you see neither then the film is 'unrated'. Looking the film up on a website such as the MPAA's will NOT tell you if the cut on the DVD is the same one that was rated!
Some older (pre 1968) films have been submitted for MPAA ratings BUT many have not.
In many countries the government rates ALL films that are shown there, but in the USA it is the MPAA, a group formed by the film companies themselves.
pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lithurge: Quote:
Quoting Mithi:
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In case of regions this is very simple to achieve by using DVDInfoPro or another technical solution.
(Yes, there is a very small percentage of R1-discs that have RCE where this fails, but the rest works just fine)
Please do not rely soley on DVDInfo Pro for region checking, as another user highlighted to me it can give 'false positives', e.g. it claimed Live & Let Die (UK release) was R4 enabled, but when I switched my player to R4 it wouldn't play because the region was incorrect.
The free Nero Info Tool also shows disc Regions. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
The free Nero Info Tool also shows disc Regions. Nero Info ToolDoesn't work on all discs though. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting PatrynXX: Quote:
Mostly because of a couple of things on my attempted contributions. And wish I could respond to the contribution critics. I'll give some when there is no rating on the cover, but for the most part people take that to mean it has an NR rating and thats not right either. If you want me to copy exactly whats off the back cover, sticking in an NR is not correct. If it actually says NR or Not Rated, thats one thing, but generic covers have no rating system in play, but I see NR so I've taken that to mean you want a real rating on it so I stick the real rating on it. I think Kill Cruise came in this way (bad movie yes but..) it's not NR, the case says zilch. And at least mine doesn't even have 18 on it.
Then theres the placement of Region 1 on several movies that are Region 0. If relying on imdb.com is a no no, why rely on dvd info pro (which I adore more for it's CRC test than telling me the meta details) So if I take the cover at it's word that it's a Region 1 dvd, it's a Region 1 dvd. So saying I can't use the actual rating of a movie because I got the info from imdb because it's not on the backcover. Why use dvdinfo pro. Region 1 is on the back cover. That would only make sense if there was no Region indicated on the back.
Usually it's live and learn, but when one thing is the norm but then another is. Thats the opposite of whats been said, thats a bit hypercritical and confusing. Then theres several Canadian releases that confuse this even further. Perhaps the UPC organization should be stripped right off the program because it's unreliable. Has to be a better way of doing the organization for that if I have a cover that says all the Canadian ratings, but it's listed on DVD profiler with an american rating. I can check the rules from time to time, and I'll agree to leave IMDB out of it. But we can't have it both ways interjecting things that are not on the cover but saying I have to stick to whats on the cover. Patrytnn: It's called where is the accurate data, it is going to be on the disc. You will find many errors when you start comparing the Cover to the Actual data on the disc. Just follow the Rules. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why are we responding in a thread that's over 90 days old?  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | <slap> self.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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